From: Herbert Poetzl (herbert_at_13thfloor.at)
Date: Wed 04 May 2005 - 16:04:42 BST
On Wed, May 04, 2005 at 10:33:46AM -0400, Gregory (Grisha) Trubetskoy wrote:
>
> On Tue, 3 May 2005, Sam Vilain wrote:
>
> >Bootstrapping Images
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >The status of debootstrap and `rpmstrap' in the current utilities was
> >briefly discussed, so that vservers of lots of different types could
> >easily be built without installing extra utilities manually.
>
> I haven't seen this being discussed on the list, I hope I'm not about to
> say anything sacreligious, but am I in the minority to think that the
> build tools do not belong in util-vserver at all?
>
> I think that util-vserver should provide the absolute minimal build
> capability as proof-of-concept tucked away somehwehre in an examples/
> subdirectory _only_. The job of writing/maintaining build tools belongs
> with distribution maintainers (or whoever else wants to take it up).
>
> When I set out to write what is now known as OpenVPS (which ATM is Fedora
> based), I wanted to use util-vserver as much as possible, but in the end
> found that since you ultimately end up having to figure out the intricate
> details of the underlying mechanism (rpm in my case), it ends up being
> easier to interface with rpm directly rather than via util-vserver
> scripts. They served as a pretty good example and a starting point, and
> that's about all the value I got from them. (We're actually more and more
> relying on Python bindings for a lot of rpm and vserver calls)
>
> Granted, there is an apparent chicken-and-egg problem here - linux vserver
> needs to be easy to use to gain more traction and that requires build
> images, and distribution maintainers are not going to take on complex
> tasks like this without there being sufficient "coolness". But I think a
> lot more can be done through advocacy and solicitation rather than
> actually trying to do it.
>
> I also think more effort was put towards bringing core utilities towards
> mint condition (with man pages and everything) would go a lot further
> towards overall value for the project than focusing on build tools.
>
> Am I being off my nut here? (If so, that's OK, been there before!)
heh, how far is OpenVPS now? and what about it's 'current'
targets/aims/whatever ...
maybe you could give a short overview?
TIA,
Herbert
> Grisha
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